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and at the same time we invested in infrastructure and in education. >> it was a different time. it was also the dot-com boom. >> that came at the end, that's right. but most people who look at those years and exclude those years that just preceding the dot-com boom understand that was a very good economy. do you believe or does anybody -- i mean, i would be very interested in grover norquist if he thought the clinton years represented a bad economy and if they were bad tax rates. >> as much fun it would be to relive the clinton years tonight, mr. secretary, i'd love to get grover -- i want you to expand more on this deduction limit. are you saying it might violate the letter of the no tax pledge but it does not violate the spirit? >> no, no. the president -- romney's made it very clear that any tax reform that he approves will not be a tax increase. this idea of having this as an offset for lower rates at least 20% across the board lower. again, paul ryan and the republicans in congress want to take rates even lower. romney's not signing any net tax increase. he's not going to sign a tax in
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